Diane, 18, had run away from home to do so. I felt there was something that should be done, but I was at a loss in how to cope with the Court that had given the children to the prosecutor and allowed false testimony to seal her fate. My problem with the circumstances surrounding the crimes against these innocent children is that they were twisted by the media. A long long time ago. She felt fulfilled when she was pregnant because she believedit was the road to unconditional love. While not evidence of guilt or innocence, it is certainly worth noting as part of the overall wrongs perpetrated during this fiasco of a trial and subsequent appeals. Mr. She found out who her biological mother was when she was 11 years old, ABC reported. Diane ran away from her husband many times between 1976 and 1977, but with nowhere to go except her parents house, she would come back. I am posting Jamesanswer: Yes the allegations were said and you cannot take back what was saideven if retracted I lived in Eugene, Oregon for years. Robert and Diane even decided toget matching rose tattoos, but as soon as the ink on her tattoo was dry, he refused to get his done. But people never want to touch the high profile cases where the defendant is not likable. Yes, isnt it shocking that some people would voice that a faulty investigation does not matter? They had him micromanaged, and with the testimony of little Christie they were in business: argumentative I am not biased. And he was found not guilty because his defense team played the race card in an area of LA where they did not trust the police and discussed EDTA and DNA ad nauseam to confuse the jurors. And her mental health should definitely have been a factor to release her with follow up care. The price of celebrity for her was losing her freedom and her children for life. In the moment of who shot youmy momhave a hard time believing that could be coached. Open ended sentences like this are meant to provide a means of control and public safety when considering dangerous offenders who may pose a continued risk to the public. So it looks and sounds like she is getting special treatment because of her notoriety. She wrote to the governor several times after being dismissed coldly by Hugi and the system. She goes on to say that she has deep regret and mourns the loss and death of her children. Steve Bannon won't be detained before trial on charges of contempt of Congress after he failed to comply with subpoenas from the House committee investigating January 6. According to the State, ballistics evidence proved that Diane Downs was guilty. At first I thought she did it, now I made further research and I dont know what to think. but I think there are some extreme cases that knock women in a bad psychotic way that can be life threatening. Thanks again. By the way, this not a Diane Downs is innocent blog. It is a lets examine the facts of the case with hindsight and try to explain some of the inconsistencies and the role of the media and crime writers. And lets wonder why the US think that letting people die in prison is the answer when most civilized countries have reached other conclusions. Diane had moved to Oregon only 6 weeks before the tragedy to work in the area and have her parents spend time with the kids. In fact, what investigator Tracy had written in his notes is that the heart monitor jumped because of excitement or intense fear. The courts were divided in the 80s, family court, traffic court, criminal court, juvenile court I dont believe they ran out of judges to preside over them all. You can click here to read about the case of Alice Crimmins during which the lead detective was heard telling the other cops before the bodies of the children were ever found:You take the husband, Ill take the bitch.. You cannot skip due process because of mob mentality. Diane was 18 years old at the time and had run away from home to get married. She did diagnose her as suffering from cyclothymic disorder and treated her accordingly. I actually do not know what really happened. The story of Steve Downs' children is one of the most shocking to date. James C. Jagger who was hired by Dianes father was an ex-Prosecutor. Mr. Diane then replied, so, put her back on the stand and make her tell the truth. He said he would when it was his turn, but never did. Reasonable doubt is most certainly lacking. It is not my point. She should have had the lawyer of her choice and if they wanted to charge her with the crimes, they should have stuck with what evidence and circumstances they had. Her 7 yr old daughter was already dead, her other 2 children were in critical condition. But the fact that the prosecutor called her a deviant sociopath in court without any assessment became another nail in her coffin. In her book, Ann Rule made sure to mention that running water was heard by a dispatcher when Diane was at the hospital; insinuating that she was washing her hands and getting rid of evidence. Danny said several times that a bad man shot them and it was written in the nurses notes, but never that his mother shot him. Rule sued the Seattle Weekly after they published the article titled , Ann Rule promotes her books as true crime stories so to this day, viewers believe that the book and the movie titled, This reminds me of what a jail counselor named Rachel Roth said at the trial of Debra Milke , They already had made up their mind that Diane was the perpetrator so they laughed off the idea of the , When I hear some people say that they would have liked to smack that smirk off Dianes face when she interacted with the cops or the media, I say. Blood spatter is not an exact science, and is interpreted differently by experts. They are the ones who considered Dianes children as, To this day, his record is mixed; his law license was suspended for, Belli filed a motion for a 2-week extension to familiarize himself with the case because he had to be in Italy, and declared Diane innocent in a press conference, but Foote denied the motion and declared . Thats the problem with high profile cases. All the reports and even the warden thought she was not a threat anymore. This is a fascinating and informative article that has answered some questions I had, and prompted others: 1. The guy should have walked away from the case or from adopting them. They dont need to be adopted and have their entire identity changed. It was the story of two troubled young souls trying to survive without a safety net. The details about the gun missing, the daughters testimony and the fact that she had no blood or gun residues are facts. Its tiresome. Thats food for thought. (Yes in the 1980s a ten yr like myself was not as mature as say todays 10 yr olds. And if you claim your innocence, it obviously creates a vicious circle of not showing contrition. There was a lot of evidence pointing at OJ. The best policy for Diane Downs would have been to remain silent, but she fought back and smiled at the wrong time and according to them, enjoyed the attention. View theaffidavits. Her 7-year old daughter Cheryl died but her 3-year old son Danny and her 8-year old daughter Christie survived. If Diane was bipolar, the non-stop chatter would have been inherent to the situation. Christie was only eight, had suffered gunshot wounds and was in shock. I can only imagine to absolute horror of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca during their horrific murders. The incident left Cheryl dead, Danny paralyzed from the waist down, and Christie suffering from a stroke that affected her speech. They met for the first time in Moon Valley High School in Phoenix, Arizona. Is Diane really a threat anymore? To listen to Christies taped conversation, click below. Many attribute the conviction of Downs to the arrival of author Ann Rule at Downs' trial. Who Wore it Better? She signed an affidavit to that effect and wanted the jury informed of it but it was never done. The whole family were co-conspirators and involved in the crime? I found your blog to be very well written, informative and interesting. Steve made some piss poor choices when he had visitation with the kids after the shooting; he permitted them to go off alone with Dianne, when she was not supposed to have had any contact at all with the children. They are still part of their birth family. He could then have initiated the licensing process to foster and then adopt the children. I hope this would never fly these days to separate wounded children from the only family members they have. Steve and Diane were married from 1973 to 1980, and during this time, they had three children. On May 19, 1983, Diane and her kids visited a friend to look at her new horse, and then went for a drive; not at all unusual for this family not living according to middle class rules. The gun is Def a big issue, the style of gun, whether it belonged to him or her, she Def had access to itthe child drew a picture of it, having large similarity to that gunbut it did always baffle me how she could find such a great hide for it in such a short period of time. There are some stories that stick with you for a long time. http://www.manipulatedtrial.de/oregon_s_small_sacrifices_1603.pdf. I have no idea whether or not she was guilty of the crime. Diane was known for her love of all animals whichshe treated with great care, and for her independent and wild streak. He may still reside in Arizona, but there is no proof of the same. Or maybe an upvote/downvote arrow for each. But, we cant help but notice that a few key individuals of her family, so to speak, didnt give those insightful interviews. Dianewas jealous ofthe other woman, but Robert Knickerbockers wife said that she foundher rather friendly during their encounter. She met Robert "Nick" Knickerbocker and started having a relationship with him earlier. I remember when Diane shot her kids and there are some facts Id like to correct from your blog. Inside, outside, top to bottom. Something that would never stand in court now. Go to the hate groups for that. In fact, watching that was the first time I heard her voice and saw her presence, it was a year or so later that old interviews showed up on YouTube. I dont know how familiar she was with the area, but I do not think that it matters anyway. Justice is all that is left. I just read your opinion on the Pamela Smart case and the Scott Peterson case. Page 35 of Case History. An attractive woman whose two children were killed in mysterious circumstances and the cops decided to go after her. Diane had met all the requirements to be paroled. 2) You mention her youngest daughter, and how Ann made sure she only heard negative information about Diane. Do not take this so personally. I accept that it is sometimes necessary but I believe in rehabilitation. As a married man, the ball was in his court and he decided togo forit. None of this is EVIDENCE of anything in regard to the murder trial, and not once did I read that it was. Christie was born in October of 1974 and Cheryl Lynn in January of 1976. I also found it interesting that when he had visited Diane in prison, he had remarked a strange air about her; which did not mean guilt. What was the rationale behind this? Would you know at what speed you are going if you were shot and driving with wounded children in the car? ..it is quite possible if she was tried in todays world, with the evidence they hadquite possible it would of went differently we been living in a society that pretty much demand 100% pure forensic evidence proven. Her family supported her. So I start with that bit of history in mind. For example, the abhorrent decision regarding Keli Lane: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.whimn.com.au/talk/news/why-i-think-keli-lane-should-not-be-in-prison/news-story/069a09c79589645c48de5bfa91e4ca0f. It should have raised a red flag concerning her mental stability or the possibility that more people were involved. 1. A. I told Diane before, but I certainly didnt tell her to Here are the pros and cons of sole legal custody. I go fishing with a jurors husband. The authorities believed that the children's father was not a good fit to look after the children after what they had endured when their mother tried to murder them. They already had made up their mind that Diane was the perpetrator so they laughed off the idea of the bushy haired stranger. The problem was that they could not find the gun anywhere and they had nothing on Diane. Diane Frederickson was born August 7, 1955 in Phoenix, Arizona. Brewer freely declared that Diane Downs would never have been convicted except that he believed the lie Jim Jagger permitted Fred Hugi to enter into the record. Within a few weeks, a judge had placed the surviving kids, Christie and Danny, in protective custody. I would say so. Diane Downs is no exception. For the upcoming Halo TV show, original Master Chief voice actor Steve Downes was recast, despite Cortana voice actor Jen Taylor reprising her role from the iconic video game franchise. That is the reason effective trial counsel challenges the competency of a nine-year-old child to testify in a court of law. You make an interesting observation when you say: Anyways. The fact that the Hugis did so successfully is arguably proof of this. A demonstration in court strongly suggested: Suggested, not confirmed. There are documented cases of suicides where the person has no GNR, as well as murder cases. Her persona allowed them to build this ironclad narrative when in fact, it was far from definite. Some 287 errors and falsehoods were documented by Liysa and verified by official sources. Even put in different hospitals. I agree about pregnancy and childbirth affecting women differently, and even having different effects for the same woman with different pregnancies. But if you compare them, and if stranger there was, there are similarities but it is not dead on. The case of Diane Downs and her three children is one of those a horrible tragic case that people still think about 37 years later. As Ms. Patterson left the stand, Diane complained to her attorney that Ms. Patterson had lied under oath. There is her story, the prosecution case and the defense arguments. Diane now had the title of dangerous offender. She did diagnose her as suffering from cyclothymic disorder and treated her accordingly. I simply state facts that did not or would not come out at the time or blatant misconduct from a legal system that is supposed to be based on innocent until proven guilty. But Ann Rules utterly biased account is an insult to investigative journalism and there seems to be very reasonable doubt here. As a rule, any child under the age of ten prompts counsel to question the competence of any testimony that child might give. I mention in the blog that Dianes mental health is in question so it is obvious that her encounter with her long lost daughter was going to be difficult. Because she had driven that area for years for her work. The inconsistencies and obvious lack of evidence in this case should have called for a wider investigation instead of solely focusing on their prime suspect. But Diane was not the one dragging Knick out of Charlenes bed every morning intent on making or breaking his relationship with another woman. No, Im not that gullible, Okay, I just read that she faked throwing her keys. You left and you and Diane Downs spent an evening at a motel? Years later, seven witnesses signed affidavits telling of a man named Jim Haynes continuing confessionthat he wasthe shooter, and his appearance boresimilarities to the sketch. We make them president. In reply to Kit Ms. Downs makes every effort to avoid emotional stimuli in order to reduce the demands made on her. The trouble reportedly took place a day earlier when Sean Preston allegedly was behind a locked bedroom door and Jamie broke down the door to get in and then "violently shook" the child, The. Downs wanted to get rid of the kids because her new boyfriend didn't want . It is also very is to clean. PAY ATTENTION: Click 'See First' under 'Follow' Tab to see Tuko.co.ke news on your FB Feed, Get the news that matters from one of the leading news sites in Kenya, Kenyans Share Hilarious Memes, Frustrations as KPLC Announces Nationwide Power Blackout, Xtian Dela's Mum Cries Bitterly As She Begs Son to Come Home, Says She's Not Seen Him in 4 Years, Linet Toto's Dowry: 7 Delectable Photos from MP's Negotiation Ceremony, Couple Lose KSh 3.4m on Their Wedding After Guests Don't Show Up: "So Heartbroken", Little Girl Begs Man on the Road for Money, Video Surprises Many, David and Rebecca Muir wedding, relationship, and family, Who is Lil Meech's mom? The towel and a girl who had a stroke, was separated from her family and was constantly questioned without being recorded or accompanied by a loved one and testifying to facts that do not match the testimony of the forensic expert is not being reduced to conjecture? As a result, joint legal custody which means parents share in the decision-making 1 is becoming the default decision in many family court systems. I research cases that in my opinion, were poorly tried. I was a patient of the doctor who worked so hard to save her childrens lives that night. The unicorn, the song, her personality. This is a more common route for children with parents who are incarcerated for what looks to be the entire childhood of the children. To this day, there is not enough evidence to prove her guilt or innocence. Back in Phoenix, Arizona, in Moon Valley High School, Steve Downs met Elizabeth Diane for the first time. I think u need to read the facts. Hugi did not want that. I had nonetheless heard of the legendary Diane Downs; the cruel sociopath who had sacrificed her own children to be free to pursue a relationship with the man she loved. The reason she is likely locked up is because she was diagnosed with narcissistic, histrionic and anti social personality disorder, that makes her a very dangerous person (especially since she is a murderer). The most exciting thing about Steve is that he never appeared in public despite the immense case against his wife. It became judicial kidnapping to obtain a coerced confession. The detectives took Diane to the crime scene and were able to retrieve shell cases on the ground where the incident happened. answer the question why didn't steve downs get custody, which will help you get the most accurate answer. It would not benefit you, my children, or society for me to perpetuate that lie. There were many problems with her trial and that matters. The pilots we did dealt with Japan going over the quotas of hunted whales and a company dumping toxic waste into the ocean But it didn't work out because the stock footage they were using. Not optional, kids should not be in limbo that long, but it happens all the time. The court can just do an APR, Assignment of Parental Rights. It wasnt until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. They were in their care during the time Diane worked when she moved to Oregon. Which is itself a redundant practise: the blogger repeatedly states that Downs should be released. Needless to say, you seem to have a problem with the American justice systemnot each individual case. Mission accomplished. Likewise, Charlene had no intention of letting Knick divorce her (Appendix 81, page 1518, line 15). Anne Rule made a big deal of a brass unicorn engraved with the childrens names that Diane had purchased. 2.Diane herself has stated that the shooter was outside the car and shot THROUGH the window, no blood spatter. But I am realistic. They are the ones who supposedly (according to Diane) screwed her up so badly. The question is of course, how can we determine guilt or innocence without a fair trial? Fred Hugi was pretty upset when Ann Rule went Hollywood with his case. And she would have been under supervision. A. I was still living in the house, yes, sir. Her character was also too much on the forefront. The notes taken daily by the nurses became a point of contention at trial. After the trial that convicted Diane Downs, Fred Hugi, the Prosecutor adopted Christie and Danny (they were in foster care for 2 years before he decided to adopt them), the two surviving children. Instead, they treated the Downs with great cruelty long after their daughter was incarcerated and they fought hard for them. They came up with an explanation as to why this was the wrong gun but the jig was up. ), years in solitary confinment Whats wrong with us?! She would have been released under strict conditions with the support of her family and under the care of a mental health specialist. Hugi got the evidence needed to convict after numerous meetings with Christie. Every single one of these questions matter. You seem to forget that even a few jurors started by voting not guilty on some of the charges. As we have reported in great detail in the past, Diane Downs could not possibly have committed the crime of shooting her children, or there would have been evidence of gunpowder residue and blood. One of the flaws was the relationship between the DA and the children. Diane Downs and Alice Crummins were considered sluts and cold-blooded women and were judged on their unusual character. They removed them and proceeded to interrogate the poor girl until she gave them what they needed. But I am so tired of the enough time has been served and other criminals have been paroled. This seems very punitive to have a law like this be retroactive. Diane Downs is guilty beyond any doubt and I do not believe that her daughter was coached. Diane downs. Inflammatory and speculative If I was of a mind to manipulate the Board by giving voice to the words they want me to utter, Id have sold my soul two decades ago when the lies would have benefited me and my youth passed long ago. People tend to forget that the group of young women hanging out with Manson were deeply engaged in serious drug use and totally out of their mind at the time. She was expelled and reunited with him against her parents wishes. I know people who know or knew people is not a valid argument. Plus, Diane could have never cleaned her clothes and her hair to remove blood and gun powder. The whole case is crazy. It has nothing to do with the facts of the case. Id have more influence arguing for better relationships with Mexico at a Donald Trump rally in Mexico. Who was Burt Reynolds married to when he died and who inherited his estate? Not right at all. why didn't steve downs get custody. It is called a conflict of interest. But they tended to ignore other important aspects. rudy francisco rifle analysis / ford employee profit sharing 2022 / why didn't steve downs get custody. 1st, you came back from a trip? In fact, Diane and her lawyer wanted Christie to be able to heal before being questioned and to be accompanied and taped during the sessions. But the guy who said to several people that he was the shooter happens to resemble the sketch they came up with at the time for a reason. Some cases are so one sided that you feel like exposing or at least, discussing the other side. Messed. He was very irresponsible and probably could not handle them financially and emotionally. Nobody had any reason for a conspiracy of this magnitude over a literal nobody. Diane recanted the stories about her dad who vehemently denied them. I mean, yeah, I can see the no contact order with Diane. The rest of the family? That disinformation was alleged by Mr. Hugi the third day into Jim Jaggers defense and it was never objected to by Mr. Jagger . The fact that Dianes injury was way more serious than they tried to pretend? Rule made up stories to sell books and the rights to a movie. They are now leading their private lives as adults. https://t.co/cPfs75obUg pic.twitter.com/uSnlFF2IRw. So glad you wrote and provided this information. More reason to have investigated the case more thoroughly. In my blog, I was referring to the case of Liysa Northon whose suit was dismissed, but when Ann Rule tried to sue the Seattle Magazine, its editor and Northons husband for their article on her shoddy work, she lost and had to pay restitution. No excuse there. They were in foster care for two years before the prosecutor adopted them. I guess he did not want too many people to know about the improprieties that happened in his courtroom. U seem very one sided on every case Ann Rule has ever written just as u claim she did to u. N her parents didnt want custody of the children just like the father. Don't get butt hurt. 5. Speculative. The Halo TV show stars Orange is the New Black's Pablo Schreiber as Master Chief, with Californication's Natascha McElhone as Dr. Halsey. I especially loved reading everyones comments. The proverbial expression It takes two to tango applies here. Downs: And there was a big reward, too. There were good reasons to look at this mother, but the detective admitted on the stand that they stopped looking at anyone else after two weeks and the stranger on the road became a joke. He could not during the marriage so he walked away. Of course, because this is what she does when people put her on the spot and ask questions concerning her mother and the shooting. I didnt know that. She is a monster and belongs in prison for the rest of her life. 4. I am pointing them out. This is basically the book best kept secrets in condensed form full of outlandish theories. I am not one sided. Her parents Willadene and Wes were old school Baptist parents who raised her under strict guidelines without much warmth but complete devotion. She had a more than competent attorney and a fair trial before a jury and NOT the same judge who handled the childrens matters. He asked her for the car keys and she pretended to throw them away to distract him. They often argued about their financial issues and fought over infidelities. How about dads side of the family? 2023 Cinemaholic Inc. All rights reserved. She also told media she became pregnant without Steve's "permission." 4 Steve has never spoken publicly about his ex-wife, Diane Credit: AP Where is Steve now? If you think you would have more influence arguing for better relationships with Mexico at a Donald Trump rally in Mexico, why bother? Leaving out a lot of info that should be included and presenting a very one sided take on these things. One should also wonder why their biological father who was so eager to bash his ex on the stand was not given custody, and did not stay in contact with his two remaining children: relevance? In the end, it is scary how media becomes some kind of Roman circus where people is thrown in order to become a source of business. Diane had a few lovers, which Knick refused to acknowledge (Appendix 81, pages 1508, 1520). Knicks habit of turning on and turning off their relationship was known to Diane long before he admitted it in court a year later (Appendix 81, page 1520, line 21): Q. No conflict of interest from a prosecutor adopting a defendants children 2 years after the fact? Read More: Where Is Robert Knickerbocker Now? HUGE conflict of interest. I had never heard of this case before I read her book (Im not from or do not live in the USA), but I found myself constantly despairing at the authors unfounded judgements and wild suppositions. Is there any update? And it is not like these two were white as snow. We dont know. Unfortunately couldnt really do anything at that point, as the movie was not VHS yet, it only aired that oncein late 89. The gun problem or the absence of blood and powder residues are not make believe. Downs is a worthless as the day is long.. Maybe you should read the blog before commenting. What about the affidavits of the guy who confessed to several people? Offers may be subject to change without notice. I am quite bothered by what happened in that courtroom and in the media. How interesting. Litigating at the Supreme Court in . Diane herself stated Cheryl was asleep on the front floorboard completely covered up with Dianes jacket how the hell did a stranger or a hitman(one of Dianes OTHER stories) KNOW Cheryl was there. It deserved as much attention as a Unicorn, a song or all the other hearsay floating around because at least, they came from real people signing official documents. During the process of the termination (which can take the whole 2 years in question, with appeals) the court is mandated to find family to take the children. Steve Downs had allegedly stolen this gun from a friend named Billy Proctor, but after it was found and the ballistics did not match, Bill suddenly remembered keeping it only for a day before exchanging it for another Ruger automatic at a gun show in Mesa; which now meant that the gun that Diane allegedly used to shoot herself and the children, was still apparently nowhere to be found.
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